I’ve noticed some comments and reviews here and on Amazon that convey disappointment with the resolution to the Lanky problem approaching our heroes on New Svalbard. Specifically, people commented that it seems unlikely that nobody had tried ramming a Lanky ship at high speed before.
One of the characters actually mentions that someone had flown a cruiser into a Lanky as a last-ditch effort once, but that it didn’t do much to the Lanky ship. The “ramming at fractional c velocities” is almost impossible to pull off for the following reasons:
1.) In a combat engagement with a Lanky seed ship, NAC ships can’t get up to sufficient ramming speed to make a dent. It took the Gary I. Gordon over forty hours of sustained 10+g acceleration to achieve her speed.
2.) Lanky ships are extremely hard to spot at range because they don’t show up on anything but optical sensors, and even then you have to know where to look. The crew of the Indy knew the Lanky’s exact trajectory and turnaround point because of the doomed SRA cruiser and her sacrifice. Without the Russian cruiser making a run for it and showing up on the long-range sensor gear, the Lanky ship would have just shown up over New Svalbard undetected, which is exactly how they got the jump on every NAC task forces they encountered. Once they’re close enough to spot reliably, you simply don’t have the time to get a sufficiently large platform up to sufficient speed even if you have a crew that’s willing to die for the cause.
The gambit with the Gordon was a one-time success that was largely due to luck and the sacrifice of the Russian cruiser crew which enabled the Indy to track and plot the incoming Lanky with enough accuracy for the Freighter of Doom shot. It’s not a solution that can be pulled off as a reliable defensive strategy. The only time the NAC ships know the exact position of a Lanky ship is when it’s already just about on top of them, or when it’s in orbit of a colony that is being taken over. And you don’t want to fling a 20,000-ton missile at an orbiting ship and miss and hit the planet instead at fractional c velocity, because that would mean a multi-gigaton kablooie and adios, muchachos. (An orbital multi-gigaton explosion wouldn’t do too much for real estate values on that particular planet either, so hitting the Lanky would be almost as bad as missing.)
I think the fact that Commonwealth navy hierarchy are a bunch of useless twats more use to pushing around paper than fight a war, perfectly explains why they haven’t tried.
I enjoyed both novels. But I hope they develop a plan that is a bit more detail than valiant but suicidal attempt to save Earth and the human solar system. An I hope we see a bit of the moral lesson that if they are going to win this war or at least survive it, Military and civilians, Chinese and Americans are all going to have to work together. I would love to see more of the politics side of the equation as well.
Yes they do, yes you will, yes they are, and yes you will. 😉
Hey man. I love both novels and both shorts. Just finished the new one. What a story! Can’t wait for the next one. You’re my favorite new writer. (By the way, I discovered your books thru the Goodreads awards. That means I’ve read all 4 in the last couple months. I hope the new one comes soon!) 5 big stars.
I think you’ve hit your stride with this one, although if you’d walked into the room at the moment I realized you were going to make me wait for the resolution of a huge cliffhanger, I would have cheerfully throttled you. Please don’t keep me waiting too long, and all will be forgiven.
Really enjoyed Lines of Departure, but gagged when I read “dark side of the Moon”! The floors of some polar craters never see sunlight and are the coldest places in the solar system, but otherwise every point on the Moon experiences the same 14 days of sun followed by 14 days of night.
That was clearly a reference to a location on the Luna from the perspective of Earth
I should have clarified “the *currently* dark side of the moon”.
Enjoyed both books. Haven’t had this much fun reading sci-fi since I discovered Tom Kratman. Also proof the author is a man of taste and distinction : he owns Dachshunds!!!!!!!
Actually, the biggest thing I wondered was why they didn’t use rocks on the Lankies on the ground. Throw rocks to trip all the spaceborne mines, then throw bigger rocks to smash the Lanky terraformers.
I purchased, read and enjoyed both books in the series, and await with baited breath the next iteration in the series. I’m also willing to cut the author / characters in the book some slack, in that they’ll use whatever weapons they have to hand and not use what they don’t have.
I think the confusion here is we don’t see how fast things are moving in your universe. Per this online calculator and Google, Gordon was running at 1.8% speed of light. This is rather brisk indeed, but 160 hours at 1 G gets the same speed. Since we don’t know / aren’t shown how close the jump-in points are to the planets, we don’t know what a “normal” speed is for a ship. But clearly, any sustained acceleration in real space adds up.
This leads to a couple of thoughts. First, anything launched from a ship at 1.8% C will be travelling at 1.8% C plus launch speed. One would think that somebody would start fitting missiles with concrete warheads and attacking orbiting Lanky ships by making high-speed fly-bys then launching missiles. Second, if the human spaceship (civilian or military) is traveling at these speeds, then grains of sand start hitting with the equivalent force of thousand-pound bombs. In order to survive nature, the human ship would need to be pretty well hardened.
So I guess the real question is “what is normal transit speeds in real space?”
I though the Gordon was accelerating at a sustained 4G. I don’t recall 10G’s being mentioned.
Overall, *much* better than the first book (which was also fun).
You’re right. It was 4g, not 10.
My only complaint is leaving the book on a partial Cliffhanger. I dug the freighter and understood the reason it hadn’t been used before. Its pretty clearly spelled out in the book, but it does cause a little cognative dissonance. As for the cliffhanger – its done its job, as I’ll be buying Angles of Attack as soon as 47 north lets me. (you should talk to them about Baen’s E-Arcs which are basically book crack. ‘Here, have my book mostly unproofed six or so months early, for twice the cost…’ …I still haven’t figured out how to say no to that.
Oh, staying tuned, that is for sure.
I’m one of the reviewers who noted this so thanks for taking the time to address this. My issue wasn’t so much the ramming of the freighter but that no one had tried kinetic weapons given they are typically such a staple of SciFi. No mass driver, rail gun, etc thought at all?
Worrying about hitting the planet makes sense if you want it back but given the Lankys made the planets inhospitable in short order who cares if you accidently hit it instead of the lanky. After all humans were nuking the crap out of it which sounds like it made it a wasteland for both sides.
Anyways don’t take this criticism too much heart, I loved the book overall and gave it four stars.
Like I said, the gears of a cash-strapped bureaucracy grind slowly. Rail guns take so much energy and have such technical limitations that you can’t just refit a bunch of ships with them, and new designs are expensive to develop and build. Stay tuned for Book #3 for more.